Episode 5

D&I in a Post Pandemic World with Torin Ellis

Diversity isn’t a slogan—it’s a business and social imperative that demands active leadership. Torin Ellis breaks down why cutting D&I budgets during crisis is a strategic mistake, and how to spot tokenism before it derails your hiring.
 

Episode Key Takeaways

The phrase ‘bring your whole self to work’ demands more than lip service. If an organization truly believes it, then events like George Floyd’s murder or any systemic injustice affecting Black and Brown employees must matter—not as a metric, but as a trigger for genuine empathy and space-making in the workplace.
Remote work created an unexpected equalizer: Zoom’s equal-sized rectangles level the playing field in ways physical offices never did. But equity on screen requires active facilitation—leaders must deliberately invite quieter voices into the conversation rather than assuming the platform alone solves inclusion.
Torin Ellis frames D&I as a formula: Potential minus Interference equals Results (P − I = R). The interference isn’t lack of talent; it’s systemic barriers, bias in hiring processes, and organizational inertia. Removing that interference is the work.
Tokenism—hiring a Chief Diversity Officer with no budget, power, or seat at the table—is worse than no hire at all. Strong candidates walk away from these roles, leaving organizations with compliance theater instead of cultural change.
Cutting D&I during downturns guarantees a longer recovery. If you pause hiring pipeline work, bias audits, and inclusive recruitment now, you’re looking at 2025 before you can rebuild what you’ve lost—while competitors who doubled down gain ground.

Frequently
Asked
Questions

Should we mandate diverse candidate slates in hiring?
Mandating diverse slates works because it creates accountability without dictating outcomes. The goal is representation at the consideration stage, not forced hiring. Once diverse candidates are equally visible, let merit decide. This approach respects both quality and equity—you’re not sacrificing one for the other.
Look at the board, C-suite, and leadership layers. If you don’t see representation across race, ethnicity, religion, and gender—not just white women, but Black, Brown, Asian, Muslim, and other underrepresented groups—pause. True diversity means different voices, not just different faces in the same privileged pipeline.
Organizations have chased one or the other for years. The business case is clear: diverse teams innovate better, understand global markets, and reflect customer bases. But the social imperative—treating people as whole humans with dignity and belonging—is equally critical. Marrying both creates sustainable change.
Don’t remove hazard pay or essential worker premiums in June. These workers are heroes, not cost centers. Advocate internally: petition leadership, offer to sacrifice from your own pay, mobilize the employee base. Amplify their voices—they’ve never been guests on leadership podcasts, yet they’re keeping organizations running.
The future of work arrived in 60 days. Remote hiring, diverse teams, cross-functional collaboration—all accelerated. If you pause D&I now, you’ll spend 2025 rebuilding what you lost. Competitors who double down will have stronger employer brands, better talent pipelines, and deeper community trust.